I know one thing that I wish I had mentioned this the very beginning that I don't really use it asked me to when I first thought about you guys. And you had said like, are you? Are you ready for this change of change? And I was like, yeah, and it was it was just change it was I was overdue way overdue. I need to do this. But you know what?

I've learned too, that sometimes things just take time to sell them to realize that you are in that space. And it's taken me having this apartment for six months to realize that I had to make this a priority somehow. And I think when it comes to that decision that, you know, what are your priorities? Where is this place you want to be for a long time. This is the place you want to be feeling comfortable in and keep spending getting rest of my life just kind of wondering, what am I going to do with this? Is this really me?

I started to feel this was my place. And I needed help. And probably I need to get this done first. So, I think you just have to decide, you know, partly what are your priorities and If you're ready for change, change obviously just to get a few things with us that really helped push the things that I was like entomological ask somebody was like when I deal with it I want it in Do I really know what I want? And I've had a bit of an issue almost two years that so many other things going on. In hindsight I really glad I waited till now.

I think you really just get to a point where it's time to change. And honestly, be honest with yourself. Don't listen to her dad. So I emailed you or message to the messenger, I guess myself. Do you do apartments? Right away.

Yes, Yes, we do. Oh, I was like, cool. And so just one step to another, you know, and that's how I did it too, was fine just one step at a time when asked your question answered. And next thing you know, I'm on the phone with you and we're talking. So it was it was kind of a slow process but it was it was just kind of inevitable. You know, and and so I was able to, like I had no idea I knew it's gonna cost a little bit of money to do it.

But while I can go get some done and then wait and do some more, but this is the right fit. This is the time to do and just keep out. Everything else I've been doing through recovery in the last for 10 years, it takes time and just persevere. See what you guys have to offer? And why why do you think we were able to help you? I felt very comfortable saying I started talking to you on the phone and just, you know, every time I did speak to you, it was I understood what you're talking about.

I just connected and that's important. And I just felt comfortable. I didn't feel like I was being pushed into how I feel. You got to do this. You got to do that. And no, it was just think about it.

Is I don't know. I just felt the excitement. for you guys to just sit and wait to get started with you. And the abuse. Yes, well, that made me feel good because I got so much energy coming out. You guys seem very confident.

And I didn't really know how many of us in business right but it just it just felt right. You know? Do you seeing this process that we did with you or that you went through? Do you think this is a good combination with therapy for someone who is suffering from like depression or anxiety, stress or just being tired? Definitely. Wow, we're going through one of them where I just I was just like, there was one part of that that I guess.

You know, I kind of felt like I was missing. Hold on something, you know and and it triggered past issues around just unreal like my parents and stuff like this but I never really thought about things that I did. I just think no Everyone has their issues their voice my opinion never felt comfortable that was really my, my value and now how I like things and so it's not really having helped when I've been on my own to try to do things that I'm not Good things. Like I could do it if I really had to, I guess, but it's not my ways. And so when we got doing some things that I was asking, I did that. I just had it I didn't think about and so yeah, it helped me to realize that, you know, there's something behind all this.

When you're when you're getting rid of things, or when you're deciding something for your space or you know, when you're shopping and stuff you had something that I really want and it's the same when you're in your apartment. You know, is this something that you're going to really want to have in your space is going to make you happy and I had to help now to say, you know, if I don't meet the second I say, Well, I can't use this. What else are they using? get ideas from? You guys. So just sitting with whatever I had and not not having a sounding board.

Yeah. So sometimes you need someone to bounce your ideas off of, because, you know, the whole time really, Judy, you had the answers. And although you gave me credit for the necklace, it really was you you started hanging those necklaces on a coat rack out in the room here that we're in. I thought yeah, and was like, why don't we put that on the wall. So you created that and I helped that idea. fit into your room that you did that 100% you and that was really nice thing about having you guys here.

Not just With what I was doing, but just you were helping Yeah, you were helping me think about? Well, you brought that creativity to me, I just find myself here. And so when you guys started talking, I would come would come to me sometimes come to you, and I was like, kind of looked at each other by Oh, wow. You know, it's, I like that idea. Yeah. You'd like to tell me more.

And and that's, that's been so helpful. I've been through a lot of stuff that we're doing, we're saying, Well, you know, you, you can we have some ideas on that for you too. And that's great. You know, that made me want to keep going with things. And once I get rid of this, what's gonna happen, you have an idea for something. And then it's so easy to say, well let that go because I can do something maybe even better and not know and make use of something here.

Better with with another idea that you might have. But, you know, when you go through all this process, like I said, with my depression, I, I was getting worse because I just I couldn't handle all this stuff here. And I was like I'm not gonna spend the rest of my days here in this apartment and have all this stuff in here and I'm wondering how to do it but that was something that was so helpful because that you took it away at the end of the day. I don't have the resources or the money or the energy, energy. Yeah, the energy that to succeed that that's a lot of work. But once especially when you're doing the organizing, and you can do all this work inside and then you got to quit you got to think about it.

You really shoulders And if you could describe how you felt before we came in three adjectives, how would you describe that? Well, definitely, because she says with a smile weighted down. No, that's good, weighted down, confused in the negative way to in a very low way. Now, I might be wrong. But it's because that's a big thing that I can do now. I think which one can I get to first, but also getting that balance of, you know, like, just relaxing and I've been learning to being much more mindful about things to just, you know, some things are Working that day and I've got some things I want to do.

I can wait. And you know what, okay, I'm just gonna sit watch the rest of the day and I'm not gonna walk Berlin, we're just going to relax. And maybe the next day, it'll come to me all the time. And I'm still working on that, like that's there was there after you guys left that I was just kind of. Maybe it was just the weight that just came off my shoulders just kind of still pulling out and just to sit out and take it all in, you know, relax and enjoy it. Like I said it was it was hard to just sit, relax, enjoy.

And everyone's everyone's allowed to get an idea. Thank you that those sit down and go, Okay, that's it. And I feel kind of guilty not doing anything, but it just it felt good just to kind of sit here and say, you know, this looks really good. Like I haven't done much and so you had a lot of learning. I think training in mindfulness and self care. Would you say that now your space, you have more or less time to do those things?

Um I think I'm still working on that. But I do have the I have the space for it now. You know, I'm looking forward to making up some space for like, you know, having some candles with some rocks at the beach and just a little space when I came back, Campbell was still working on tweaking a few things. But Merlin and this, let's move into really know which one I should ask, do you want any of them? Sure. Um, what were your main challenges for the entire transition?

Like, do you still see yourself facing some challenges? I think I do. And but I think there's something around so courses that you guys offer. I'm not going to get rid of that. Yeah. I, I I'm challenged with paperwork, and challenged with how to organize the like when I'm filing things after I bought something and keeping things in certain places and to keep things kind of all together.

And to get out of it to do it. But I think I don't know what comes for this, but maybe like there was I saw one of your grants are one of your videos talking about below you are talking about your task and something that works for you. And I can't Yeah. And I'm trying to think of what would work for you because I'm sitting here writing notes with all these things I want to get to and I've got pages there that was just a simple thing but I have an issue around that's a big challenge of my to do list of what chapters together and I am challenged with. Okay, I want to do this but I'm not I'm not good at all the same general we're going to do this is I have an issue with my memories around feeling that energy and just push myself to go do something I don't know if it's like I feel cheated a lot.

And so every day is a new day. Tomorrow or Tuesday I do this and I do need a if I can get myself to do so. Start about something that will work for me like he did put things down, but you can refer to them as you know what to say or do and that. If I do do that on my Google Calendar, I have things like tasks and tasks, like appointments and things like that. I do. Yeah.

But if I can do that more, we're taking that from that. Maybe putting it up there looking at everything. And if someone asks you, hey, you were really happy What happened to you? What would you tell them? Oh, well, I moved. I got a puppy dog.

And we're moved to I love my space now and it is my home. I have great go to bed with anything that I'm doing and I feel good about this. I feel critical. Wherever you find me that's not perfect. But you know what? I finally have something tangible to work with.

To get perfect. Oh, perfect. I don't even know where that came from. Is that really hard to calculate? So if you were to meet someone now, and you knew that that person was what that person is currently at the situation that you were before, what would you say? Or how would you help them?

I think I'd ask the question first, how are you feeling about you and how are you feeling about your life and Do you have a place that you feel at home with your life? And if you're feeling like I don't know where to get started with things, you know? I think I would just say, you know, look at your place. And, you know, ask yourself, does this make me feel like I want to be home? I don't want you to sit well i do i do relax when I come in the door. You know, am I in a place where I want?

Are you in a place where you feel this is where you want to be in your life. You know, I was saying organizing is gonna make everything better and make it you know, much you know, move forward faster. Anything. But at least if in your space, you feel comfortable, it's a lot of weight off your shoulders to to let go off, to have a space that you feel comfortable and relaxed in, but also in busy things are, don't have to be always something things. Say what kind of gets this guy into that, you know, just just how our your life in general isn't feeling overwhelmed or you feel confused. You might even this will help with therapy.

But if you need some therapy to get started with, you know, saying what's going on for me, maybe it might come down to what's going on in your life that you bring into your life. Amazing how much stuff you can hack away that you Don't need and I've done that for so much of my life that I didn't realize anything. And sometimes you have to stop and say, You know what's going on, be honest with yourself. Today, it's always a reason why we're doing this thing. Everything everything's hot, everything happens for a reason. And sometimes we just don't like ghosts too much.

And that's why I love the stuff of mindfulness now, we really think mindful you about what's going on for you? And not just kind of say, Well, I can do that. Or, you know, well, that's what you got to do. That's not what you see. So many people are just so busy and think that they have to be so busy. But you don't.

You can you can make that choice to just sit back and see what's going on around you right now. Is it You're not meant to go somewhere right now. Feeling different than taking your strength just because you know what's going to be here for the next minute, the next hour the next day next week, but maybe it's not the time to do it. There you don't do everything right away. We always I have the feeling at least that's what I tried to do with my friends with my family. I always try to fix things.

I always think that I can fix everything What can I do to fix things and sometimes it's just a matter of being there as you say, listening, seeing what's happening observing, reflecting but doing nothing, you don't have to do things all the time. And I have a hard time some time with those things. So it's a really good reflection that you pointed out. That's true. I recently to one of my good friends crest she now you know i when something is going bad for her and she spends her time so when I have been to I thought You know, he's able to be a little bit more athletic. And I always felt like I needed to make her feel better.

And the one day she said to me, no, you don't even have to, you know, I've been saying that to other people, you know. And here she said that to me, I was like, yeah. I just always feel like I have to say something or I have to make it feel better for her or whatever. And I have to do that with with everybody, but I'm trying to realize that like, you know, just say, I'm listening. You know, I'm not that to understand but you know what I'm hearing. You're not alone.

That's enough for some people. Yeah. Is there anything else that you would like to share? I don't really have any more questions. Is there anything else that you would like to share with others that are watching something that you think it's photon something that can help them. I think it's really, I know it's really hard to reach out.

And I'm still struggling with it. But you know, I'm getting this to you guys still being there for me. I can ask you guys and I feel like I can really just a question that I have I have you guys in the back of my mind to read things that I'm doing have to know. And it's really helped me with my decisions. Yeah, sometimes they're just excited but it's But you know, the working thing take care to reach out and try something. So, yeah, if you if you if you don't, you will never know.

And I am one to do that it just takes time to get to a point where either, you know, I need some kind of money to work with it. But also I need the time and the energy but even just to reach out and ask, and what can be done. It's not like you do everything all at once. But this is kind of why I thought at first to maybe rush to everything right. But what happened was I reached out, I got ideas I wish I could connect, what do you even talking about? And I really didn't have to do it all at once and And you guys were so impatient about everything.

You know, it was like you didn't have to make a decision. Right. And I think that's something a lot of, you know, I will be hesitant to ask either of you, or, you know, I encourage you to do some organizing. But I think a lot of people think that you have to, you're not gonna, they're not going to say, No, you gotta, you got to do this. You got to do that. You know, and I think that is something so important that we, like you guys.

You've never once made me feel rushed about a decision. And if I wasn't sure you said, well, we'll come back to that. You know, that was so reassuring. And, and so many people, I think you say, like, spending all that money on organizing Well, you know what, that's money well spent. If you're going to go on a vacation, maybe or You're gonna go buy some clothes that maybe you don't really need. Think about it twice what you're going to do is spend some money on and look at your clothes there, you know, because Okay, I see that a lot.

No, but I just, I just feel like I think there's probably a lot of people out there still feeling about organizing that is certainly cofounders I don't want to watch a lot of organizing shows and stuff. And I don't think you really get down to like what you're doing here with talking to the client and and asking them what's going on with you and how it works. But it works so much differently than what you see other shows happen that fast. Of course, you know, doesn't but, you know, like, how much longer You want to stay with that for now, How much longer do you want to stay at? That's reflection on how you decide to stop whenever or falling apart. That's really what's going on inside of you to resolve part of your life.

So it's it's money well spent, and time well spent. It's amazing the feeling afterwards. So what what would you say? The benefits are right now for you in your life? How How did your life change after the separation? I'm making time to make things still look.

You know, I've heard that the tidy even if it's, you know, I update things or I'm picking up little things that I can do in abdomen, spending just a little bit extra time. I'm being able to make a decision faster. With my mind, yeah. For what the, from the questions that you guys have asked me. I just feel like can question that you're asking. But I think it's just everything feels so much more at ease to deal with and feel like everything is too overwhelming to see.

While Judy, we are really really happy that you were willing to share your story, we are confident that you are going to find a lot of people to take action. As you were saying reaching out for help, could mean something different for every question. And the beautiful thing that we have is that basically Canada in the US and in some other countries around the world, there are a lot of organizations of our professional organizing. So you can find a lot of different options you can find them. Sometimes you don't even have to hire an organizer. Sometimes it could be a good friend or family member, whatever patient you feel well comfortable doing hands with.

So help can mean something different in every situation. And our message here and why we wanted to share this story is just to inspire others to just take action. Try something differently, things are not working if you are unhappy, if you are not feeling well try something different. And sometimes asking for help is the answer because sometimes we don't have all the answers sometimes. Okay. So we are really, really grateful that you share.

I'm glad that you ask them because I want to inspire other people to to, to reach out. It's hard to say to do and if anyone knows that. Find out Everything is possible. Whereas now, I've had to reach an awful lot and get paid for it pays off. Maybe not at the moment that you're making that phone call for that you're asking around, you know, somebody who drove around saying, you know, have dinner with someone or whatever, just listening someone you may not know in that moment. But you know, everything has a reason that we can have this for these big ones, everything happens for a reason.

You just don't know them, but you can't get any more change. So just ask, and who knows what the answer will be. It might not be with that person, but they might be able to know someone else or something else, you know. Get back to for something to happen that was great for you. And I don't do that for women that that person just simply works for you. It might be something that they just refer you to somebody and it's not working well thank you very much